There are two times in a man’s life when he should not speculate: when he can’t afford it, and when he can.

-Mark Twain

Back in September of 2021, KCR penned a piece The Market Cap of Companies Over 20x Price to Sales is Out of Control. You can see on the chart below that we timed that call perfectly got lucky.

Our recent update on the rich opportunities we see for those willing to diversify into Mid, Small and Micro cap stocks provoked us to update, once again, the 20x price to sales work. We are deep into the phases of the first true “double-bubble” in modern history.

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As a reminder: stocks at 10x price to sales have a horrendous track-record for reasons we explain often. Stocks at 20x price to sales? Madness. Last time we highlighted this chart, you can see what happened.

As this paper will show:

  • There is no historical precedent for successful investing at these multiples
  • Avoiding stocks trading at these multiples is easy
  • The cost of avoiding them is typically emotional as these speculative valuations always collapse
  • The risk of embracing speculatively priced assets can be a financial catastrophe
  • The data on stocks priced at 20x price to sales is clear: DON’T

Looking at the chart above, some might think that with the bubble reflating, well, investors in these stocks have done well since our 2021 publication. As the chart on the following page shows, you would be 14% right and 86% wrong.

Since we published that piece only 38 out of 268 stocks that were over 20x price to sales beat the market. (38/268 = 14%). Even worse, the average decline on the 230 losers was -97%, on a relative basis.

So now that the market indexes sit with trillions of dollars invested in stocks at these valuations, we encourage investors to ask: do you feel lucky?

  • Below shows the percent of firms at > 20x sales that delist at the 1, 2, 3, and 10 year forward horizons
  • The numbers for 2 & 3 years are catastrophic, with nearly a fifth of stocks gone by year 3 (18%)
  • By the 10th year, so many firms have delisted, 55%, this is not a viable strategy to even try and test

The chart below shows the odds of stocks priced like these beating the market over the 1, 2, & 3 year horizon.

  • Stocks over 20x sales only beat the market 29% of the time over a one year holding horizon
  • Stocks over 20x sales only beat the market 24% of the time over a two-year holding horizon
  • Stocks over 20x sales only beat the market 22% of the time over a three-year holding horizon

These odds make a casino’s worst bets look appealing. Go there. At least the drinks are free.

Not financial advice: speak to a Financial Advisor before making any investment decisions.

  • The below shows how buying all the stocks > 20x P/S in each year and holding them for 1 year worked
  • The results are horrible with very few exceptions, including 1998, 2003, 2019, 2020, and now
  • The data suggests speculative periods are followed by steep losses – KCR encourages prudence

  • The below shows how buying all the stocks > 20x P/S in each year and holding them for 2 years worked
  • The results are horrible and merely amplify the findings of the 1 year buy & hold chart above
  • The incredibly rare instances of 20x stocks actually outperforming any 2 years are followed by disaster

  • The below shows how buying all the stocks > 20x P/S in each year and holding them for 3 years worked
  • The results are, with one exception in 1997, horrible
  • Stare at that chart and ask yourself again – do you feel lucky?

The conclusion is obvious: buying stocks over 20x sales is a terrible idea for long-term investors. Period.

The table below shows some basic fundamental data on (from top to bottom):

First Row – The 83 stocks valued over 20x price to sales that are in the bottom quintile of our models:

  1. These expensive and poorly ranked stocks burn -2% of their bloated enterprise values a year
  2. They trade at an average of 44x sales, have negative earnings (negative P/E ratios) and…
  3. ….are diluting owners to the tune of -6% a year (Total Yield)

We have published a complete list of the stocks over 20x price to sales that rank poorly on the following page. If you see these names in your holdings – ask your Financial Advisor why.

Source: Kailash Capital Research, LLC; Data from 2/28/2025

The two rows underneath show the fundamentals of KCR’s Midcap and Small Cap GARP model portfolios. Look at the dispersion in valuations, cash flows, and payments to owners.

This is only hard if you are watching stocks bounce around on an app. For long-term investors, KCR humbly submits: doing the right thing today has rarely been more obvious.

KCR Bottom Ranked Stocks > 20x Price/Sales Below

  1. As a reminder for our Financial Advisors: our models are available on a continuous basis, and most have been in production for over a decade.  If you are looking for simple, concentrated, low turnover, and tax efficient model portfolios we would like to talk with you.  KCR also offers a wide range of easy-to-use but sophisticated tools.  Our toolkits can help identify mispriced stocks with the best and worst risk/reward characteristics, estimate a stock’s duration and warn you when a company is engaging in low-quality accounting. Over the last 12 years, KCR has built and offers time-tested and class-leading products built by experienced and proven money managers for fixed to low prices.
  2. Kailash Capital Research, LLC ’s sister company, L2 Asset Management, runs market neutral, long/short, large-cap, and mid-cap long-only portfolios with a value and quality bias.  L2 employs a highly disciplined investment process characterized by moderate concentration, low turnover, high tax efficiency, and low fees. While nobody can predict the future, we believe the recent resurgence in risk-adjusted returns seen across all products is the beginning of what may be a long period where speculation is punished, and prudence and patience rewarded.

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March 21, 2025 |

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March 21, 2025

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